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Was Trunks really that weak?
Topic Started: Jan 17 2014, 12:00 AM (1,573 Views)
+ Pyrus Jan 17 2014, 07:19 PM Post #16
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I don't really understand your point, because it still tells us absolutely nothing about Trunks's power 3 years later compared to 3 years prior.

All your evidence is circumstantial, and doesn't specifically give us a comparison of his power both before and after.

I'll keep trying to explain, then.
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And in addition to this, Piccolo in the Freeza arc said that Goku's power was beyond comprehension. There's no reason to believe that Tenshinhan (who was undoubtedly weaker at this moment in time than Piccolo in the Freeza arc) could've made a legitimate comparison of the power of the Super Saiyans.

Weaker characters have given accurate power comparisons before with much bigger gaps between them and the people they were comparing. If it isn't contradicted, I don't find a problem with it.
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Also considering that Tenshinhan at that point in time had only seen Super Saiyan Goku twice up until then, and Goku wasn't at full power either time.
That's probably why he said Goku "shouldn't" instead of "isn't."

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4
Context: talking about how Trunks and co. lost to the androids
Tenshinhan: “[Trunks] is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…”
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In addition to this, we don't know how strong 19 was, and Goku was stated by Piccolo to be much weaker against 19 than he should've been. Even if Vegeta managed to get up to 4x Yardrat Goku, that still gives us no evidence that Trunks increased power substantially in that 3 year period.

We know No.19 after absorbing Goku's power wasn't "as terrible" as Trunks' stories told according to Vegeta, so he shouldn't be that bad compared to Trunks' power from his debut. This No.19 wasn't considered in the running for the androids Trunks talked about, but No.20 after absorbing Piccolo's power and SSj Vegeta's blast was. He was promptly defeated by Piccolo, who showed respect for Trunks' power at the later android battle.

Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?..."

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.2
Context: after Kuririn apologies for not joining the fight with No.17 and No.18
Piccolo: “Don’t worry about it. Even Trunks as a Super Saiyan was done in with basically one blow. It wouldn’t have made any difference if you had come.”
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There's also no reason to believe that Vegeta was flying as fast has he could.

Prove he wasn't if you insist. What the pages showed was Vegeta not being able to get away from Trunks despite finding him highly annoying; all he could do was tell him to go away.
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Given all that, Trunks would still be weaker than Vegeta and still get curbstomped as badly as he did.

There's nothing anywhere that gives us a solid example of Trunks increasing power substantially in however long he spent in the future before returning to the past.

Trunks himself gave enough evidence that his power increased. He was no match for the androids in his debut and then when we saw him next, he was able to fight fairly well. That would make no sense if he didn't get stronger. Piccolo bested an android that could be considered as powerful as the ones in Trunks' story, and spoke of Trunks' then-power as something of a benchmark for him. Tenshinhan grouped the Super Saiyans together.

Do we really need someone to say in the clearest possible terms, "Hey, Trunks got stronger than before!" when there's plenty to make that conclusion already?
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Alex D. Boss Jan 17 2014, 10:23 PM Post #17
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 Trunks said himself that he has gotten stronger after 3 years IIRC. First he said he couldn't do jackshet , then 3 years later he admits to do a little bit jackshet more , so that should give a sign of increase.

KP gave plenty of useful quotes about Trunks being in the same tier as Goku and Vegeta.
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sylentknyte Jan 18 2014, 12:34 AM Post #18
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 At that point I think it's something along these lines:

Vegeta: 100
Goku: 97
Trunks: 75
Piccolo: 70

He was quite a bit weaker.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Jan 18 2014, 12:42 AM Post #19
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 I think it's like this:
SSJ Vegeta: 280,000,000
SSJ Goku: 270,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 250,000,000
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+ Pyrus Jan 18 2014, 03:17 AM Post #20
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 I'd personally all have the Super Saiyans pretty close to each other.

Vegeta - 100
Goku - 97
Trunks - 90

Something like that.
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Alex D. Boss Jan 18 2014, 03:50 PM Post #21
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 I have personally like this ;

Vegeta: 100
Goku: 98
Trunks:95
Piccolo: 90
Gohan:83
Weaklings:75
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+ Pyrus Jan 18 2014, 03:58 PM Post #22
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 Piccolo that close to Trunks? I'd separate them a bit if Piccolo is looking up to Trunks' power.
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Alex D. Boss Jan 18 2014, 04:00 PM Post #23
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 He isn't close. I minimalized the gap. He isn't close , but he shouldn't be that far far away.
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Hearts Jan 18 2014, 06:26 PM Post #24
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 I would have Goku a bit weaker than that, Piccolo stated that Vegeta is stronger, 98 /100 isnt a noticable difference
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+ Pyrus Jan 18 2014, 07:40 PM Post #25
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Jan 18 2014, 06:26 PM
I would have Goku a bit weaker than that, Piccolo stated that Vegeta is stronger, 98 /100 isnt a noticable difference
Piccolo didn't notice it until later on.
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